Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 106

04/28/2005 03:00 PM House HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES


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03:07:25 PM Presentation: Family Wellness Warriors Initiative, Southcentral Foundation
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03:09:23 PM Presentation: Family Wellness Warriors Initiative, Southcentral Foundation
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Protecting You, Protecting Me
Angie Wright, National Council on Alcohol
and Drug Dependence
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Family Wellness Warriors Initiative
Southcentral Foundation
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
 HOUSE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                               
                         April 28, 2005                                                                                         
                           3:07 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Peggy Wilson, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Vic Kohring                                                                                                      
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
Representative Berta Gardner                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Paul Seaton, Vice Chair                                                                                          
Representative Tom Anderson                                                                                                     
Representative Lesil McGuire                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
PRESENTATION:  FAMILY WELLNESS WARRIORS INITIATIVE, SOUTHCENTRAL                                                                
FOUNDATION                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:  PROTECTING YOU, PROTECTING ME, ANGIE WRIGHT,                                                                     
NATIONAL COUNCIL ON ALCOHOL AND DRUG DEPENDENCE                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
KATHERINE GOTTLIEB, President and CEO                                                                                           
Southcentral Foundation                                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
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presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DON SHUGAK                                                                                                                      
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
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presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
EDNA SHUGAK                                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
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presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
STEVE WILLIS                                                                                                                    
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JEANNIE WILLIS                                                                                                                  
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ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  announced that  she  was  adjourning the  recessed                                                               
4/26/05 meeting, which had never reconvened.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:07:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PEGGY WILSON called the  House Health, Education and Social                                                             
Services  Standing  Committee meeting  to  order  at 3:07:25  PM.                                                             
Representatives Kohring, Gardner, and  Cissna were present at the                                                               
call to order.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:       FAMILY    WELLNESS   WARRIORS    INITIATIVE,                                                             
SOUTHCENTRAL FOUNDATION                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced  that the first order of  business was the                                                               
presentation   of  the   Family  Wellness   Warriors  Initiative,                                                               
Southcentral Foundation.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:09:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHERINE  GOTTLIEB, President  and CEO,  Southcentral Foundation                                                               
(SCF), said SCF  is a $110 million  Alaska Native/American Indian                                                               
primary care  organization that "runs  a primary care  center and                                                               
other   community   activities    around   Anchorage   and   [the                                                               
Matanuska/Susitna  (MatSu)] Valley."   She  reviewed the  area in                                                               
which SCF operates  clinics.  She said  the organization receives                                                               
federal,  state, and  foundation funds,  and it  generates third-                                                               
party  revenue  through  Medicaid  and Medicare.    Ms.  Gottlieb                                                               
indicated that the Family Wellness  Warriors Initiative is funded                                                               
through  SCF, Rasmussen,  Paul Allen,  the  Alaska Native  Health                                                               
Board, and the Department of Justice.   She reported that SCF has                                                               
contributed approximately $885,000 for the last three years.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTTLIEB  revealed that she is  a "child of war."   She asked                                                               
the  committee members  to  imagine:   At the  age  of five,  she                                                               
witnessed her  father getting  hit and  blood splattering  at her                                                               
feet, and  she witnessed her  mother being beaten by  a stranger.                                                               
She  was also  a child  subject to  abuse and  neglect; when  she                                                               
tried to tell  her mother what was happening,  her mother slapped                                                               
her  across  the  face  and  called her  a  wicked  child.    She                                                               
explained the  reason for her  mother's actions was  because she,                                                               
too, was  a child  of domestic violence,  child abuse,  and child                                                               
neglect, and  because of that  became an alcoholic who  died when                                                               
Ms. Gottlieb was 12 years old.   Ms. Gottlieb stated it is by the                                                               
grace of God that she is not also an alcoholic.  She said:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     It's only ...  after many years of  counseling, after a                                                                    
     long internal  walk of spiritual and  emotional growth,                                                                    
     after watching many  ... people live out  the same war,                                                                    
     after  becoming  a mother  of  six  and grandmother  of                                                                    
     twenty,  I made  a  determination as  an Alaska  Native                                                                    
     person:   I'm  about  breaking the  silence.   I'm  not                                                                    
     going to  sit back; ...  I'm not  going to just  let it                                                                    
     happen  to my  children, or  my cousins,  or any  of my                                                                    
     relatives.  And the beginning  walk of this is to start                                                                    
     by  telling my  story.   And  that's part  of what  the                                                                    
     Family Wellness Warriors Initiative is about.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:14:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DON SHUGAK  described his beginnings in  Old Harbor.  He  said it                                                               
was a beautiful place when alcohol  wasn't there, but when it was                                                               
introduced it  tore up  the structure of  his family  and others.                                                               
He  related  that his  own  father  was verbally  and  physically                                                               
abusive.  Mr. Shugak  said he was the oldest of  10 children.  He                                                               
related an  incident which resulted  in one of his  sisters going                                                               
to the  hospital.  He said  his father was suffering  from issues                                                               
that were a  result of his own abuse growing  up; the abuse moved                                                               
from one  generation to the next.   He said God  somehow gave him                                                               
the  ability to  see  that the  way  he was  growing  up was  not                                                               
normal, and  ever since he has  looked for ways to  address these                                                               
issues.    He  agreed  with  Ms.  Gottlieb's  use  of  the  term,                                                               
"children of war."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHUGAK said he became  involved with Family Wellness Warriors                                                               
three years  ago after being told  about it by Ms.  Gottlieb.  He                                                               
said initially he  thought the organization was  just for women's                                                               
issues, adding,  "When you grow up  in a village ...  that's just                                                               
the way it is."   Mr. Shugak said Ms. Gottlieb  called him out to                                                               
be  a warrior,  which  called to  him.   He  said  he had  become                                                               
abusive to  his children  and they  suffer for  that today.   For                                                               
example,  because  he  told  them they  were  stupid,  they  have                                                               
trouble studying today.   He said his wife told  him he needed to                                                               
choose between  his anger and  his family.   He said he  chose to                                                               
address  the issues  in his  life and  become a  warrior for  his                                                               
family.  He said up to  80 percent of people in Alaska's villages                                                               
have been abused in some way.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.   SHUGAK  said   Family  Wellness   Warriors  began   getting                                                               
recognition  in  the  state  about  four  years  ago  and  helped                                                               
popularize the idea of breaking silence through the media.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:22:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EDNA SHUGAK testified  that she was raised in a  small village on                                                               
Lake Iliamna and,  while working in Anchorage, she  asked God for                                                               
a  husband and  met Don  Shugak soon  after.   She described  the                                                               
beginning of their marriage, saying  that they married so quickly                                                               
that she  didn't know  him well.   She said  her own  father died                                                               
when she  was five years  old, so she  didn't have a  father role                                                               
model and did not  see how a husband would behave.   She said she                                                               
and her husband attended bible  school together.  Ms. Shugak said                                                               
her husband would  become angry and lose control,  but when asked                                                               
about it  later, he would say  he didn't remember.   She said her                                                               
husband was  a pastor for three  years and then a  teacher.  When                                                               
he came home, he expected her to keep the children quiet.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:25:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SHUGAK said  it seemed the older her husband  got the angrier                                                               
and more  critical he became.   She said  she wanted her  son and                                                               
daughter  to grow  up in  a safe  home, but  it seemed  to become                                                               
increasingly unsafe.   She expressed  that her husband  seemed to                                                               
be missing an opportunity to raise  his son into a man, and their                                                               
son, who  had Attention Deficit Disorder  (ADD), was withdrawing.                                                               
She described her  existence as a lonely one with  no intimacy or                                                               
trust with her  husband, and she said there were  nights when she                                                               
wanted to  run away.   She confirmed Mr. Shugak's  testimony that                                                               
she  gave him  an ultimatum  between  choosing his  anger or  his                                                               
family.   Now  that Mr.  Shugak doesn't  have his  anger anymore,                                                               
Mrs. Shugak  said, their marriage  is richer.   She said  she and                                                               
her husband have  spoken at length with their  children about the                                                               
bad times,  and she and her  husband tell their story  to others.                                                               
She concluded, "I cannot tell you  the amount of people that come                                                               
up and they tell me, 'That's my story.'"                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:32:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE WILLIS stated  that it is not easy for  him to speak before                                                               
the  committee, because  one thing  the Family  Wellness Warriors                                                               
Initiative is  about is ending abuse  and he was an  abuser.  Mr.                                                               
Willis stated that he is the son  of a missionary family.  At the                                                               
age  of  13 he  left  home  for  high  school and  attended  five                                                               
different high  schools in  four years.   At the  age of  six, he                                                               
revealed,  he was  exposed  to  sexual abuse  by  peers, but  had                                                               
nowhere  to turn,  because  there was  an  abusive atmosphere  at                                                               
home.   He  said,  "I  know that  early  on  my mother  suspected                                                               
something, but  I knew what  would happen if  I owned up  to what                                                               
was going on and, out of fear, I  kept it quiet."  From his early                                                               
years through high school, one side  of him lived as a church boy                                                               
doing  things he  ought  to  do, while  the  other was  drinking,                                                               
carousing, smoking,  and doing as he  pleased.  He said  he isn't                                                               
proud of that at all.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIS  said his first marriage  was at 18, lasted  11 years,                                                               
and  produced two  children.   He met  his current  wife, Jeannie                                                               
Willis, and described her as his  princess.  He said he never had                                                               
any intention of hurting her, but  the use of alcohol in the home                                                               
"set  the stage  for lowered  inhibitions and  bouts and  fits of                                                               
anger."   He spoke of  an instance when  he crossed the  line and                                                               
hit his wife, which made her afraid  of him.  He said they raised                                                               
three children.   He said  that although  he thought he  kept the                                                               
anger directed  at their mother  camouflaged, they could  see it.                                                               
He said his oldest daughter couldn't  wait to leave home at 15 or                                                               
16 years old.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:36:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILLIS  said the  family  changed  directions in  its  life,                                                               
moving out of a little village  and into a larger town where they                                                               
attended  church and  started cutting  back  on alcohol,  finally                                                               
giving it up.   However, the damage that was  done still existed.                                                               
Mr.  Willis said  he was  invited to  a Family  Wellness Warriors                                                               
conference.   On the  application form  there were  categories to                                                               
fill out  and Mr. Willis  said, "I didn't  feel that any  of them                                                               
applied to me because I'd never  been abused."  He still attended                                                               
and  discovered  "a lot  of  the  things  that cause  what  later                                                               
developed into an abusive lifestyle."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIS said his son was a  teenager at the time and wanted to                                                               
be out of  the house.  He  said his son was  a tough, idealistic,                                                               
and honest young  man who would stand up against  him and "almost                                                               
get in my face and stay in my  space."  He told his son he wanted                                                               
to give  him the opportunity  to speak his  mind.  His  son broke                                                               
down into  tears and said,  "You beat  my mama, and  she couldn't                                                               
stand up  against you, but I  have to."  He  expressed his thanks                                                               
to  the Family  Wellness Warriors  Initiative program  for making                                                               
him cognizant  of what was going  on and giving him  the strength                                                               
to allow his  son his freedom and voice, and  to stop the pattern                                                               
of abuse.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:40:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEANNIE  WILLIS said  she  grew up  with 12  siblings  and, as  a                                                               
child,  saw  things she  shouldn't  have.    She watched  as  her                                                               
parents got  drunk and her  dad hit her  mom and as  her brothers                                                               
got drunk  and fought  in the  house as  all the  little children                                                               
screamed, cried,  telling them  to stop.   She  said she  saw her                                                               
friends  run  from  their  own  houses  to  neighbors  to  escape                                                               
fighting in  their houses.   She  said most  of those  times were                                                               
brought about because  of alcohol.  Ms. Willis  said cleaning her                                                               
mother's bloody  nose and trying  to get her  to bed in  order to                                                               
get up  in time to get  the children to school  was embarrassing,                                                               
cleaning  up broken  dishes  and furniture  made  her angry,  and                                                               
hearing  people gossip,  thinking that  she wasn't  listening was                                                               
humiliating.  She said she  began putting up walls and pretending                                                               
these things were not happening.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILLIS said she married at  21 and, after a couple years, the                                                               
marriage  headed  downhill.   She  stated  that her  husband  was                                                               
unfaithful  and physically,  emotionally,  and verbally  abusive.                                                               
She said, "His rage was so  bad that I feared for my well-being."                                                               
She said she hid  in her house because of her  black eyes and hid                                                               
the things  that her  children did  wrong because  the punishment                                                               
would be  too much.   She hid the fact  that she was  unhappy and                                                               
hid  financial mistakes,  because  if her  husband  found out  he                                                               
would turn into  a "raging maniac."  She said,  "My husband would                                                               
not  hurt our  kids intentionally,  but the  emotional abuse  was                                                               
done without  him even knowing  it."  She continued,  "I wouldn't                                                               
hurt my kids  intentionally, either, but when I got  to the point                                                               
of giving up all of my dreams, I stole their dreams, too."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILLIS  said she and her  family moved out of  the village in                                                               
1996 and decided  to clean up their lives.   In January 2004, she                                                               
said,  "We went  to  the conference  that was  put  on by  Family                                                               
Wellness  Warriors  Initiative,"  which  she  said  was  a  great                                                               
turning  point in  her life.   She  emphasized the  importance of                                                               
looking at  past damage in order  to figure out "why  you are who                                                               
you are today."  She stated, "My  husband and I gave up that past                                                               
life and  are on our  journey to healing.   We  do give a  lot of                                                               
credit to Family  Wellness Warriors Initiative ...;  it helped us                                                               
think about  things from  our past and  to start  working through                                                               
it."   Ms. Willis  said she  cannot help  thinking about  all the                                                               
people who  are going through  a life similar  to ours -  all the                                                               
people  in Alaska  who have  been through  past damage  and don't                                                               
realize how it is affecting them today.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:45:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GOTTLIEB said  SCF runs  adolescent, youth,  and residential                                                               
treatment programs.  She also  mentioned an adult facility, which                                                               
she  said the  state  funds.   Every resident  who  has used  the                                                               
services of  SCF has issues  with child  abuse and neglect.   She                                                               
said  SCF  runs  a  huge  behavioral  health  facility  that  has                                                               
provided services  to over 40,000  Alaska Natives,  70-75 percent                                                               
of  whom  report domestic  violence  and  child abuse/neglect  in                                                               
their background.   People  medicate with  alcohol to  bury those                                                               
things  within  them  relating to  domestic  violence  and  child                                                               
abuse/neglect.  She stated,  "Family Wellness Warriors Initiative                                                               
is not  just another  program; it's  a movement.   We  are taking                                                               
hold  of   child  sexual  abuse,  child   neglect,  and  domestic                                                               
violence,  and we're  breaking the  silence."   She said  it's an                                                               
Alaska  Native-led initiative  that is  changing a  belief system                                                               
that  encourages   domestic  violence,  abuse,  and   neglect  as                                                               
socially acceptable  and tolerable.   She  said the  movement has                                                               
been  endorsed  by  Alaska   Native  communities,  councils,  and                                                               
statewide governing bodies through  resolutions.  She said Family                                                               
Wellness  Warriors  Initiative  is  in  the  doors  of  villages,                                                               
churches,  communities, families,  and  individuals; it  provides                                                               
the means for  full discussion of all the  issues around domestic                                                               
violence, child abuse and neglect.   The initiative is creating a                                                               
safe umbrella  of village community adults  and training Alaskans                                                               
to  be competent,  skilled, and  equipped to  respond to  prevent                                                               
child abuse, neglect, and domestic violence.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTTLIEB concluded as follows:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     I  went to  ... [the]  surgeon general's  workshop ...,                                                                    
     [which]   was  around   making   prevention  of   child                                                                    
     maltreatment  a national  priority.   And he  was there                                                                    
     for two  days.  He listened  to about 100 of  us across                                                                    
     the  nation,  by  invitation,   around  the  issues  of                                                                    
     domestic   violence,   child  abuse,   neglect,   child                                                                    
     maltreatment.   And when I got  up to speak I  told him                                                                    
     [and the  people that  were there] a  little bit  of my                                                                    
     story  ..., and  said if  he  wants to  make ...  child                                                                    
     maltreatment a  national priority, and if  this body of                                                                    
     professionals  wants  to   make  child  maltreatment  a                                                                    
     national    priority,    then   I    would    encourage                                                                    
     professionals  and  people  around to  talk  about  how                                                                    
     they've been  harmed ...  and even  the harm  that they                                                                    
     have done.   Because  it's not  just about  low income,                                                                    
     [minorities], or  Alaska Natives.  And  the surgeon got                                                                    
     up and in  his closing remarks he made  me cry, because                                                                    
     he told his  story.  It was very powerful.   So, that's                                                                    
     what Family Wellness Warriors Initiative is about.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:49:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON expressed  her  appreciation for  the  work of  the                                                               
Family Wellness Warriors Initiative  and said that those involved                                                               
who are brave enough to tell their story truly are warriors.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:50:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  shared that  one of  the things  that has                                                               
always  troubled her  is when  rural children  are held  in state                                                               
custody  in  Anchorage.    She  said  sometimes  they  have  been                                                               
transferred there  for treatment,  but many times  their families                                                               
have brought them into the city  for other reasons and "they come                                                               
to the  attention of somebody and  come into custody."   She said                                                               
she worries  about children from a  small place who not  only are                                                               
yanked away  from their families,  but also are in  culture shock                                                               
in a  new school and  eating different  foods, for example.   She                                                               
said, "It's a short-term fix,  maybe, for that child, balanced by                                                               
a lot  of harm that's also  being done."  She  asked Ms. Gottlieb                                                               
if she has any suggestions as to what to do with these children.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTTLIEB  said currently some of  the nonprofit organizations                                                               
are  involved; they  are working  specifically with  children who                                                               
are  under state  custody.    She said  SCF  is not  specifically                                                               
involved  in that  world;  it  is targeting  the  adults and  the                                                               
environment to become  safer.  She said, "So,  it's a partnership                                                               
connecting with  people who  are dealing  with the  children that                                                               
are involved  in this picture."   She  interpreted Representative                                                               
Gardner as saying  [the goal has not yet been  met], and she said                                                               
she doesn't have an answer for her.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER said  that  in her  work  as guardian  ad                                                               
litem  she  learned  that  people   really  can  and  do  change,                                                               
sometimes  in surprising  and unexpected  ways.   She offered  an                                                               
example.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:53:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GOTTLIEB reemphasized  making the  environment safe  for the                                                               
children before coming to talk with them.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER asked what  could have made Ms. Gottlieb's                                                               
own experience different.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTTLIEB answered,  "A family like this who's  ready to break                                                               
the  silence,  change their  lives,  and  take control  of  their                                                               
community."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:54:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  thanked those  who had testified  and told                                                               
them that it is an honor  that they trusted the committee to hear                                                               
their  story.   She  said  it  sounds  like the  Family  Wellness                                                               
Warrior  Initiative  is about  people  helping  people, which  is                                                               
where things have to start.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTTLIEB noted that SCF  held a conference in Fairbanks which                                                               
150  people [attended]  and during  which 32  lay people  who had                                                               
been trained came and volunteered 10 days of their time.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:56:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOHRING expressed  his  thanks  for the  previous                                                               
testimony.    He  reminded  those  in  the  room  and  all  other                                                               
listeners that women  can be perpetrators of abuse, as  well.  He                                                               
said it seems  society is moving in the  direction of "portraying                                                               
the man as the bad person in the household."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:57:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GOTTLIEB said  in the  conferences, both  men and  women are                                                               
telling  their  stories  of  being  abusers.    She  said  Family                                                               
Wellness Warriors Initiative  is asking men to be  the front line                                                               
of protection.  She said, "We  have been calling out the warriors                                                               
and they have been rising.  It's a big deal."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:58:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. GOTTLIEB announced  that training is available,  the web site                                                               
is  www.southcentralfoundation.com, and  people can  request more                                                               
information or find out how to get involved by calling 1-800-                                                                   
478-3343.  In response to a  question from Chair Wilson, she said                                                               
the  state could  provide help  to the  Family Wellness  Warriors                                                               
Initiative, by endorsing it as  one of the effective movements in                                                               
the state.   She said  the organization has been  partnering with                                                               
the Department of Corrections.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON concluded, "We'll see what we can do."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:00:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Health, Education and Social Services Standing Committee meeting                                                                
was adjourned at 4:01:03 PM.                                                                                                

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